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Good day, and thank you for being here. Welcome to the Q3 2025 Quanex Building Products Corporation Earnings Conference Call. Please note that today's conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to our speaker today, Scott Zuehlke, Senior Vice President, CFO and Treasurer. Please proceed.
Thanks for joining the call this morning. On the call with me today is George Wilson, our Chairman, President and CEO. This conference call will contain forward-looking statements and some discussion of non-GAAP measures. Forward-looking statements and guidance discussed on this call and in our earnings release are based on current expectations. Actual results or events may differ materially from such statements and guidance, and Quanex undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statement to reflect new information or events. For a more detailed description of our forward-looking statement disclaimer and a reconciliation of non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures, please see our earnings release issued yesterday and posted to our website. I'll now turn the call over to George for his prepared remarks.
Thanks, Scott, and good morning to everyone joining the call. Although macro headwinds persisted this quarter, I'm pleased with the resilience of our business in the current environment. Following a significant amount of work by our team, new operating segments are in place, synergy realization remains compelling, and the cash flow generation of the combined entity has been strong. We are confident we are on the right path. We remain focused on achieving our financial and operational objectives, and our team continues to prioritize driving both above-market growth and an improved margin profile over time. Our third quarter results were largely shaped by 3 key factors: first, the macroeconomic environment and the resulting demand and order patterns; second, the resegmentation of our business units and a resulting goodwill impairment; and third, the integration of Tyman and the synergies we're beginning to realize from the combination.
Let me start with comments on the macroeconomic environment in the markets we serve. In North America, for the third quarter of 2025, volumes increased compared to the prior quarter, but not at the rate normal seasonality would have suggested. U.S. customers took extended downtime around the July 4 holiday, and volumes remained relatively soft for the remainder of the month. While tariffs continue to add uncertainty, there is also a sentiment that delays to both R&R and new construction projects are a result of consumers waiting for the Federal Reserve to cut interest rates. Altogether, this has led to increased pressure on discretionary spending, resulting in a headwind to end consumer confidence. While volumes are expected to remain soft through the end of the year, we are confident that mid- and long-term indicators favor a strong recovery when rates drop and consumer confidence is restored.
Looking at market conditions in Europe, consumer confidence continues to be negatively impacted by higher interest rates and conflicts in the Middle East and Ukraine. However, market share gains in both our vinyl extrusion and insulating glass spacer product lines have helped offset market weakness. Despite ongoing pricing pressure, the Quanex team continues to deliver quality products with excellent operational performance. Now turning to the resegmentation of our business. As we have discussed on prior earnings calls as well as at our Investor Day earlier in the year, completing the resegmentation of our business was important for our future success. With this work complete, we are better able to achieve expected synergies, drive innovation and organic growth, and expand into adjacencies. I would like to thank the entire Quanex team for working so hard and efficiently to get us where we are today.
From an accounting perspective, one of the impacts of any business resegmentation is a goodwill impairment review. And as you saw in our earnings release, this review resulted in a noncash goodwill impairment. I want to be clear that this impairment is not related to any performance indicators or changes to the long-term profitability expectations for our business. In fact, the new reporting segments continue to create new opportunities for cost takeout inefficiencies, which will allow for improved performance. However, per accounting rules, we performed goodwill impairment testing on all new reporting units before publicly reporting in the new operating segments, which resulted in a noncash goodwill impairment. Regardless of the impairment, our business prospects are unchanged. Quanex has strong growth potential and as macroeconomic uncertainty subsides and customer confidence improves, we believe we are well positioned to capitalize on pent-up demand.
Finally, I'd like to discuss the ongoing Tyman integration process. We continue to make substantial strides on the integration and have finalized and staffed our operational and commercial teams. We have also made significant progress toward building the back-office support teams. As we move ahead, our team is capturing meaningful synergies unlocked by the transaction, and we also continue to identify and pursue additional synergies on an ongoing basis. After factoring in these additional synergies, mainly related to headcount, adjusting for lower volumes and pushing out the timing of when we should realize procurement savings, we still see a path to realizing approximately $45 million in cost synergies related to the Tyman acquisition over time. As a reminder, $45 million in cost synergies is above our initial projection of $30 million at the time of the transaction announcement. We expect to see further synergies, particularly those related to revenue in the second phase of integration, which is underway.
This second phase is rooted in 4 major themes: Go-to-market and geographic expansion strategy, operational footprint optimization, new product and materials development, and finally, current product line portfolio analysis. Each one of these themes is more medium-term focused and directly aligned to the profitable growth strategy that we discussed at our Investor Day in February. Operationally, we are pleased with what we have accomplished in the first year since the deal closed. We are well positioned due to our healthy balance sheet, flexible financial foundation, and advantaged strategic positioning. Despite the macro challenges, our strong cash flow enabled us to repay over $51 million of bank debt during the quarter. This demonstrates the potential ahead for Quanex as we continue to progress toward our goals, and we remain extremely optimistic moving forward. I want to also take a moment to detail some operational issues we inherited that are specific to our window and door hardware business in Mexico, which impacted results in the third quarter more than expected.
Specifically, we identified tooling and equipment issues at our Monterrey, Mexico facility, which, among other things, impacts backlog and leads to inefficiencies and increased costs for items such as expedited freight. These operational challenges negatively impacted EBITDA in the Hardware Solutions segment by almost $5 million in the third quarter alone. As soon as we identified the extent of these issues, we took action. We made leadership changes and are dedicating additional resources and capital to the facility to address and resolve these issues in an expedited manner. We are upgrading the facility's capabilities, processes, and equipment to Quanex standards, laying a stronger foundation for years to come. We are confident in our recovery plan, although we want to note we expect continued pressure on results in the Hardware Solutions segment in the fourth quarter. Looking ahead, we anticipate gradual progress as we execute on the recovery plan with tangible benefits early in fiscal 2026.
Before I conclude my prepared remarks, I want to note that we are updating our guidance for fiscal 2025 due to recent demand trends and updated cost synergy realization and timing model, conversations with customers, and a realistic timeline to address the operational issues in Mexico. Scott will take you through the details, but we remain confident in the strong Quanex team. We have a proven track record and a breadth of products that are unmatched in the industry. We look forward to capitalizing on the opportunities ahead of us and we will be positioned to benefit when the macro environment begins to improve. I'll now turn the call over to Scott, who will discuss our financial results in more detail.
Thanks, George. On a consolidated basis, we reported net sales of $495.3 million during the third quarter of 2025, which represents an increase of approximately 77% compared to $280.3 million for the same period of 2024. The increase was mainly driven by the contribution from the Tyman acquisition that closed on August 1, 2024. Excluding the Tyman contribution, net sales would have increased by 1.4% for the third quarter of 2025, mainly due to increased pricing, which includes any tariff impact, offset by lower volumes. We reported a net loss of $276 million or $6.04 per diluted share during the 3 months ended July 31, 2025, compared to net income of $25.4 million or $0.77 per diluted share during the 3 months ended July 31, 2024. The decrease was primarily the result of a $302.3 million noncash goodwill impairment related to the resegmentation of our business at a point in time when consumer confidence is low and equity values for building products companies are challenged.
As George mentioned, the noncash goodwill impairment is not related to any performance indicators or changes to the long-term profitability expectations of the business. The resegmentation constituted a triggering event under ASC 350, requiring a quantitative comparison of each reporting unit's carrying value to its estimated fair value. At the May 1, 2025, trigger date, our stock price was at $16.59 per share, which is less than the agreed valuation for the Tyman acquisition. Because market capitalization is a key input in determining fair value, the lower share price on the trigger date reduced our market-based valuation, despite management forecasts reflecting higher long-term cash flows. As a result, the fair value derived from the market evidence fell below our internal forecast and the carrying value of goodwill, leading to the noncash impairment. On an adjusted basis, net income was $31.6 million or $0.69 per diluted share during the third quarter of 2025 compared to $26.9 million or $0.81 per diluted share during the third quarter of 2024.
The adjustments being made to EPS are as follows: Transaction advisory fees and reorganization costs, restructuring charges related to severance and disposal of software, noncash goodwill impairment, expenses related to the plant closure or relocation, amortization expense related to intangible assets and a pension settlement refund, one-time depreciation adjustment and then other net adjustments related to foreign currency transaction gain/loss and effective tax rate. On an adjusted basis, EBITDA for the quarter increased by 67.2% to $70.3 million compared to $42 million during the same period of last year. The increase in adjusted earnings for the 3 months ended July 31, 2025, was mostly attributable to the contribution from the Tyman acquisition, combined with the realization of cost synergies. Now for results by operating segment. We generated net sales of $227.1 million in our Hardware Solutions segment for the third quarter of 2025, an increase of 201% compared to $75.5 million in the third quarter of 2024.
We estimate that volumes for the legacy Quanex product lines in this segment declined by 2.4% year-over-year with pricing up 1.9% and a tariff impact of 7.9% versus Q3 of 2024. The legacy Tyman product lines included in this segment, which we didn't own in the same period of last year, made up the remaining 193.5% increase in net sales in the third quarter of 2025. Adjusted EBITDA was $24.7 million in this segment for the third quarter compared to $9.5 million in the third quarter of 2024. As previously mentioned, the operational issues specific to the window and door business in Mexico negatively impacted EBITDA in this segment by approximately $5 million during the third quarter of 2025. Our Extruded Solutions segment generated revenue of $174.4 million in the third quarter of 2025, which represents an increase of 29.6% compared to $134.6 million in the third quarter of 2024. We estimate that volumes for the legacy Quanex product lines in this segment were down by 2.6% year-over-year, with pricing up 0.6%, a 1.9% FX benefit and no real tariff impact.
The legacy Tyman product lines included in this segment, again, which we didn't own in the same period of last year, made up the remaining 29.7% increase in net sales in the third quarter of 2025. Adjusted EBITDA increased to $37.1 million in this segment for the quarter versus $27.7 million during the same period of last year. We reported net sales of $102.3 million in our Custom Solutions segment during the third quarter of 2025, compared to $72.7 million for the same period of 2024. We estimate the volumes for the legacy product lines in this segment increased by 0.8%, driven by increased spot business in the Wood Solutions Group with price increasing by 2.2% and a minimal tariff impact of 0.3%. The legacy Tyman product lines included in this segment made up the remaining 37.5% increase in net sales in the third quarter of 2025. Adjusted EBITDA was $12.9 million in this segment for the quarter, which compared to $6.1 million for the third quarter of 2024.
Moving on to cash flow and the balance sheet. Cash provided by operating activities was $60.7 million for the third quarter of 2025, which compares to cash provided by operating activities of $46.4 million for the third quarter of 2024. Free cash flow increased by 15.1% to $46.2 million for the quarter, and we were able to repay $51.25 million of bank debt. As of July 31, our leverage ratio of net debt to last 12 months adjusted EBITDA decreased to 2.6x. The leverage ratio for our quarterly debt covenant compliance was 2.4x versus the current leverage covenant ratio of 3.75x, so we have plenty of cushion. During the quarter, we remained disciplined in our capital allocation strategy. In addition to paying back over $51 million of bank debt as part of our efforts to maintain a healthy balance sheet and improve liquidity, we continue to return capital to shareholders by opportunistically buying back shares.
We repurchased 100,000 shares of common stock for approximately $2.1 million during the third quarter of 2025. We still have approximately $33.6 million remaining under our existing share repurchase program. Before I open it up to Q&A, I want to discuss our updated guidance for fiscal 2025. As George mentioned, the update is based on our results year-to-date, recent demand trends, and updated cost synergy realization and timing model, conversations with our customers, and a realistic timeline to address the operational issues in the window and door hardware business in Mexico. On a consolidated basis for fiscal 2025, we now estimate that we will generate net sales of approximately $1.82 billion, which we expect will yield adjusted EBITDA of approximately $235 million. For modeling purposes, please use the following assumptions for the full year 2025 to back into what Q4 should look like: Gross margin of approximately 27%, which reflects the operational issues in Mexico, SG&A of approximately $264 million, adjusted D&A of approximately $58 million, interest expense of approximately $53 million, an adjusted tax rate of 24.5%.
This tax rate is slightly higher than the previous guidance of 23.5% because of some nondeductible interest. CapEx of approximately $75 million and free cash flow of approximately $80 million. Operator, we are now ready to take questions.
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Our first question will be coming from Steven Ramsey of Thompson Research Group.
Maybe to start out with the big picture on demand, understand that it remains subdued out there broadly. I heard that from many companies and from channel checks. But wanted to parse out if you feel like if in any segment, there is a change in the competitive landscape or just even in the near term as competitors react to this market, if that's also changing the volume picture.
Thanks for the question, Steven. The way I see it right now and the detail that we have coming flowing in, it is more macro related than competitive. I think we've been able to do a very good job on the competitive front across regions and across product lines. So really, the softness that we see is more specifically related to the softness in both R&R and new construction.
Okay. That's helpful. And then I wanted to hone in a little bit in Europe, the pockets of strength that you called out there. Maybe can you go into a little more detail on why that strength is there, why it's sustaining? How much of it is consumer demand for it versus internal moves you're making?
The product lines in Europe continue to do very well and have gained some market share. This success is based on the solid operational foundation of our extrusion and framing systems, along with our spacer business. We provide excellent service and high-quality products that are energy efficient and perform well thermally. This consistent delivery of quality has contributed to our ongoing success and remains a strength for us. We're looking to replicate this in the hardware product lines acquired from Tyman. In the U.S., we are seeing strong performance, particularly in our legacy Quanex lines, where we effectively convert demand into cash flow at a favorable rate. This also remains a strength. We are making progress in transitioning Tyman products from a make-to-stock model to a make-to-order approach, which presents a significant opportunity for us. We've started to see the early results of this transition, leading to positive cash flow. Despite market softness, cash flow generation has remained robust, allowing us to pay down debt and repurchase shares.
For sure. Okay. And then last one for me. Tyman Mexico, maybe to clarify, you called out a $5 million EBITDA headwind in the third quarter. Do you expect the fourth quarter to be a similar dollar amount headwind-wise or that to moderate a bit? And then to make sure I understand, do you think this EBITDA headwind is gone to start 2026? Or do you think it starts to balance out and then go positive later in that fiscal year?
Yes. So I think we do expect an impact in the fourth quarter. It may be similar to 3Q, depending on the progress that we show during the quarter. But we are expecting some progress towards the end of the fourth fiscal quarter and then into early 2026. It's hard to say when it will be completely resolved, but we are working quickly, and we realize this is a top priority.
Our focus right now is on protecting our customers and restoring our delivery levels. Our complete attention is on our customers, and we are not holding back on expenses to be practical. We are addressing the issue by implementing systems and investing in assets to ensure our equipment and tooling meet our standards, which has always been a strong point for Quanex. We intend to make this a strength of the Tyman products we acquired as well.
Our next question will be coming from Reuben Garner of Benchmark.
I guess can you walk through what the balance of the, I guess, lower-than-expected results in the third quarter was? I think $5 million accounts for roughly half of it, if my math is right, top line was mostly in line with what you were looking for last quarter. Was it just a split between volume and price? Was there higher costs from tariffs or other pressures that led to the profitability pressure that you saw?
Yes. Aside from the market and the volume you just mentioned, and outside the impact from Mexico, the issues are really divided between the market and procurement synergies specifically. We carefully reviewed this and updated our model to account for the lower volumes and the timing for realizing those synergies, which have been pushed back. So, I would point to those three factors: the Mexico market and procurement synergies.
So was all of that pressure in the final month of the quarter, and does the guidance for the fourth quarter now suggest you will experience three consistent months of that kind of pressure? Was it $5 million in one month, and now that's going to be $5 million per quarter in the fourth quarter? Can you explain how to interpret that?
No, it wasn't all in July, if that's what you're implying. It definitely started earlier in the quarter and ramped up through the quarter. Now that we have a really good handle on what's going on, we do expect some progress towards the end of the fourth quarter.
Sorry, one more, if I could sneak one in. I was on mute. I guess what are your customers saying? There's been a bit of a resurgence in refinance activity of late as rates have come in. It sounds like you're not expecting volume to bounce back anytime soon. Was there any element of destocking that took place? I know a lot of your products are kind of made to order, but some of them, maybe the spacers can be stocked. Was there any destocking that's taking place that's kind of one-time in nature? What's the expectation, I guess, as you get into your next fiscal year from a demand perspective?
No. We didn't see any signs of anything in terms of destocking or anything specific because that usually indicates 1 or 2 specific customers. And it was pretty consistent in terms of the slowdown across all of the customers that we serve. So we don't anticipate any levels of destocking. What I would say is our expectation of things continuing to be soft into the fourth quarter really falls a little bit into what we've always seen in terms of weather and the build season. Now even though you've got some refinancing activity that kind of is starting to ignite and maybe showing signs. And I know that there's some hope and optimism that there will be a rate cut in September by the Fed and maybe another even in this year. Effectively, in half of the U.S., the build season is coming to a conclusion. So that's not going to flow through until our 2026 fiscal year.
I know I said it was the last question, but I want to ask one more. You've been in this deal for a little over a year now. You mentioned the potential for more synergies that you've identified. Can you provide any more details on that? Specifically, regarding facility count, location, and how you're managing the business, what could these synergies translate to in terms of numbers? Or is it still too soon to provide that information?
I think it's still too early to tell from a numbers perspective. Obviously, we put some of our expectations and thoughts on a waterfall chart that showed our pathway to growth at our Investor Day back in February. Those goals and objectives are still absolutely valid, and that's exactly what we're driving to. I think we're excited as we build out our commercial teams and we start to look at what that looks like. So I do think that there's some opportunities that will present themselves from a commercial cross-selling, bundling of products, and the development of new systems that will absolutely pay benefits. I think now that we're operating in the new segments, each one of the groups will evaluate hard what their new consolidated footprint looks like. And it's our job as a manufacturing company to be as efficient and cost-effective for our customers as we can be. So I think my expectation is not changed at all from what we presented in terms of that waterfall chart back in February and probably more confidence now that we're actually operating in the new groups.
And our next question will be coming from Adam Thalhimer of Thompson, Davis.
Scott, I'm trying to understand the top line for Q4. The top line is down about $20 million to $25 million sequentially. What is causing this? Were there some tariff-related prebuys in Q2 and Q3, or is this just a reflection of how challenging the demand environment is right now?
No. I mean I think it's more reflective of just the current market and what we're seeing sitting here today.
Okay. It might be a tough question, but do you have any insights about demand for the first and second quarters of next year?
We've just started our budgeting process. So I think it's a little too early for us to kind of go out with guidance. A lot is going to probably depend on what the Fed does here over the next course of 2 to 3 months and what sort of reaction in terms of consumer confidence and some stability on inflation and tariffs. So I think we're not quite ready. I think our expectation is next year will be better than what we're seeing here in the second half, but still a little too early to come out with any specific guidance.
Okay. And then cash flow was a good story in Q3. Congrats on that. Also good Q4 cash flow guidance. Just curious what you guys are going to prioritize with the Q4 cash flow.
Yes. I think as always, we're going to balance debt repayment and potentially some opportunistic stock repurchases through the quarter. But clearly, continuing to strengthen our balance sheet in this environment is a top priority, and you should expect that to continue.
Yes, I would emphasize that our leverage is at a manageable level, though some are concerned as it approaches 3x. Despite a challenging environment, we continue to generate cash flow for the business. As Scott mentioned, we will work on strengthening our balance sheet. The situation is fluid, and when the market becomes more favorable, we will be ready to make opportunistic purchases. We haven't established a specific plan for the company, so our window to act in the market is limited. We will assess our share price and focus on what offers the best returns for our shareholders.
And our next question will be coming from Julio Romero at Sidoti & Company, LLC.
Going back to Tyman Mexico for a bit. If I recall, that manufacturing business in Mexico is largely labor-intensive and very manual in nature. And I know you mentioned it was a tooling and equipment issue. So I was hoping you could kind of talk to the issues a little bit there? And does the labor-intensive and manual process of that business kind of affect your ability to implement the remediation plan at all?
Actually, the Monterrey facility is a mix between manual assembly as well as a significant presence for injection molding and metal die casting. So there is a lot of injection molders and die casters and tooling in that facility. What we identified is really the systems underneath how do you methodically anticipate and plan for tooling repairs. I don't want to say it was nonexistent, but again, not up to the standards. And you get to a point where if you're not maintaining tools and equipment, but you continue to try to run and you block off cavities, then it creates quality problems and other issues, and it will eventually catch up to you. And I think what we identified mid-year here as we get deeper and deeper into the integration and we start understanding the processes and kind of put Quanex procedures and policies into place is that we were underinvested and that the tooling condition and the equipment condition was not where we wanted to be, and it was not going to be healthy to support our customers. So we had to make some changes and fix some things before it was catastrophic.
Good color there. Very helpful. And how is the remainder of the Tyman integration aside from Mexico performing from an operational perspective?
Yes. We've been very pleased with the progress so far. Our commercial teams have been developed, and our goal during the integration was to combine the best aspects of both companies to create something new and stronger. Even though there is a short-term issue in one plant, the overall integration has shown that Tyman is well-suited to operate as a commercial business. Consequently, the marketing, product management, and sales teams from Tyman play a significant role within Quanex. Meanwhile, Quanex's manufacturing strengths are being integrated into Tyman's facilities. We are making excellent progress. When the market recovers, we will have the systems ready, and we will continue addressing the issues in Monterrey, positioning ourselves for growth. I am excited about the progress we've made, and while there is still more to accomplish, we are on track as expected, aside from the Monterrey impact that our systems identified. We will resolve it and move forward, ready to go. I am very pleased with our progress.
Understood. Understood there. And sorry if I missed it, but did you guys provide a new timeline for the $30 million in synergies, kind of that first tranche of synergies? Is that still expected by the end of 1Q fiscal '26?
I think we said early 2026. I think that's still pretty accurate.
Okay. Got you. So there's no push out announced from the timeline there?
No.
I mean some of it will be market dependent. I mean if the market were to go worse, that impacts the procurement synergies, but we're not anticipating a significant degradation from where we're at today.
Got it. And then one more, if I could. On the Custom Solutions business, there's been some announcements of industry consolidation from some larger OEMs, and it also wouldn't be the first time that you guys have seen industry consolidation. So can you maybe talk to any expected impact to Quanex from that and some historical context you could provide as to how you've worked through industry consolidation of customers in the past?
What we are observing in the Custom Solutions sector has been announced. It's still early in the merger of those companies, which focuses more on wood products. It's too soon to determine the effects. We've noticed significant consolidation among customers, but we don't expect any substantial impact from that. We maintain relationships with all of the original equipment manufacturers and believe that will continue moving forward. As they navigate through the integration and the approval of that consolidation, we'll gain more insights and formulate our strategies accordingly. In other markets, particularly in the window and door segment, we expect to see ongoing consolidation. Larger national players are likely to expand, and we serve nearly all of them. There could be some variations in the product mix we offer. However, we anticipate this consolidation. Our extensive connections with nearly every window company position us well to take advantage of these developments, provided we continue to offer a comprehensive range of products and meet our customers' needs effectively. Our top priority remains addressing the issues in Monterrey and resolving them.
Got it. I just wanted to say congratulations on completing the resegmentation. Nice job there.
Just a quick follow-up on the Mexico facility. What percentage of your business or how much revenue comes from that facility?
We haven't provided that level of detail. It operates as a cost center, so the revenue actually comes through other facilities. They are handling some extrusion, and then it gets distributed. We'll need to follow up on that, but we haven't shared that figure publicly regarding the hardware business.
And I would now like to turn the conference back to George for closing remarks.
Thank you. As we head into the fourth quarter, we are encouraged by the completion of our resegmentation and the overall resilience of the business in the current environment. Our team is focused on advancing our integration and capturing the synergy opportunities available. We remain optimistic about our prospects for profitable growth and value creation moving forward. We look forward to providing you with another update when we report Q4 and our full year 2025 earnings in December. Thank you.
And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.