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Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the First Citizens BancShares Third Quarter 2025 Earnings Conference Call. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to introduce the host of this conference call, Ms. Deanna Hart, Head of Investor Relations. You may begin.
Good morning. Welcome to First Citizens Third Quarter Earnings Call. Joining me on the call today are our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Frank Holding; and Chief Financial Officer, Craig Nix. They will provide third quarter business and financial updates referencing our earnings presentation, which you can find on our website. Our comments will include forward-looking statements, which are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. We assume no obligation to update such statements. These risks are outlined on Page 3 of the presentation. We will also reference non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these measures against the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in Section 5 of the presentation. Finally, First Citizens is not responsible for and does not edit nor guarantee the accuracy of earnings transcripts provided by third parties. I will now turn it over to Frank.
Thank you, Deanna. Good morning. Thank you for joining us for our third quarter earnings call. During the third quarter, our business segments continued to deliver strong performance. I'll focus my comments on our earnings metrics for the quarter and how we are positioning First Citizens to achieve our strategic initiatives as we move forward. I'll then turn it over to Craig to review our performance in more detail and provide guidance on the fourth quarter. Starting on Page 5. Key earnings metrics were solid, marked by net interest income growth, stable NIM, and adjusted noninterest expense at the low end of our guidance range. We reported adjusted earnings per share of $44.62, an adjusted ROE of 10.62% and an adjusted ROA of 1.01%. We achieved 2.5% loan growth over the linked quarter spread across all our operating segments, but led by SVB Commercial where global fund banking loans increased 10% sequentially, driven by increased utilization and strong production in our capital call portfolio.
Deposits were up by $3.3 billion or 2% sequentially, with notable inflows from our SVB Commercial and General Bank segments. We are pleased that this marks our 7th consecutive quarter of deposit growth. We also maintained strong capital and liquidity positions supporting the balance sheet growth I just mentioned and allowing us to return another $900 million to our shareholders through share repurchases during the quarter. We recently announced an agreement to purchase 138 branches from BMO Bank, and while we offer our clients a variety of different ways to interact with us, our branches continue to be integral to our franchise. Building on the scale of our current nationwide platform, we are excited about this opportunity to expand into new markets and offer our client-centered approach in even more regions. Strategically, the net deposit position is expected to enable us to further enhance our liquidity position and provide additional flexibility to support our strategic initiatives including the repayment of the purchase money note as interest rates move lower.
Looking ahead on Page 6. We remain committed to deepening client relationships, optimizing our balance sheet and making investments in our franchise that underpin scalable growth. So far, we have made real progress on our strategic initiatives, including platform integration and alignment. We continue to align teams to improve client experience, client segmentation and product orchestration. We have increased outreach across our business segments to deliver more holistic solutions to our clients. Digital and operational improvements. We continue to streamline workflows through automation where it makes sense with the goal of simplifying our operating environment to make us more operationally efficient. Capital and liquidity resilience. We've maintained capital ratios well above regulatory thresholds and our liquidity profile continues to afford us the optionality to support clients, invest in our future and pursue external opportunities.
As always, we remain vigilant on the macro and geopolitical landscape, which remains somewhat uncertain. While we recognize that some elements of the landscape could serve as tailwinds and others headwinds, we are pleased to be operating from a position of strength. In closing, I want to emphasize that even in volatile periods across markets and rates, we continue to believe that our diverse business model and disciplined risk posture are key differentiators. Over the last several quarters, we've delivered consistent results even as external conditions shift. We remain deeply committed to being a dependable, thoughtful partner to our clients, communities and shareholders while maintaining flexibility in a dynamic economic environment. With that, I'll turn it over to Craig, who will take you through our third quarter results and forward-looking guidance for the fourth quarter.
Thank you, Frank. Thanks for joining us today. I will focus my comments on the key takeaways from the third quarter highlighted on Page 8. For more details supporting our results, please refer to Pages 9 through 26. As Frank mentioned, we had another solid quarter with term and return metrics that surpassed our expectations. Our adjusted net income of $587 million was supported by positive operating leverage, which included net revenue growth and expenses at the lower end of our guidance range. However, this positive operating leverage was somewhat offset by an $82 million charge-off related to the First Brands bankruptcy, which represents our full exposure to the company. We do not view this loss as indicative of wider issues within our supply chain finance portfolio, and we are confident in the robustness of our overall loan portfolio. Tangible book value per share rose by about 8% compared to the previous year and 2% sequentially, despite $4 billion of share repurchases since the start of our repurchase plan in July 2024, including $900 million in the third quarter.
Headline net interest income saw a sequential increase of 2.3% and was in the upper half of our guidance range, primarily due to higher average earning assets and day count. Net interest income, excluding accretion, grew by 2.7% sequentially. Our headline net interest margin was 3.26%, unchanged from the previous quarter, while the margin excluding accretion rose by 1 basis point to 3.15%. We have effectively managed our deposit costs down, while the yield on earning assets remained relatively stable. Adjusted noninterest income exceeded our guidance, with a modest sequential increase of 1%, primarily driven by gains from previously foreclosed assets and higher client investment fees due to an uptick in average off-balance sheet client funds in SVB Commercial. These gains were partly countered by a $9 million sequential drop in adjusted rental income caused by increased maintenance costs in our rail business.
We maintain confidence in the fundamental strength of this business with utilization nearing 97% and positive repricing trends. Adjusted noninterest expense came in at the lower end of our guidance and was essentially unchanged from the preceding quarter. Now, turning to the balance sheet. Loans rose by $3.5 billion or 2.5% sequentially, largely due to growth in Global Fund Banking within the SVB Commercial segment, accompanied by modest growth in the general and commercial bank segments. Global Fund Banking loans increased by $2.9 billion, reaching their highest quarter-end balance since we acquired this business. New loan production was robust, and we observed increased utilization of our capital call lines of credit. The pipeline for Global Fund Banking remains strong, totaling roughly $10 billion at the quarter’s end. We are encouraged by signs of heightened market activity in Global Fund Banking, which we believe may continue to be a positive driver in the medium term.
General Bank loans grew by $238 million, primarily through expansion in the commercial portfolio within the branch network and our wealth business. After last quarter's contraction in the commercial portfolio, we were pleased to see its performance improve as runoff slowed and production increased. Similarly, our wealth business benefited from increased originations in the third quarter. Commercial Bank loans rose by $150 million, although this was offset by declines in our industry verticals due to heightened prepayments as deals transitioned to permanent financing and some transactions in the pipeline pushed into the fourth quarter. We are maintaining our pricing discipline, which is reflected in our loan yield that, excluding accretion, only fell by 1 basis point for the quarter, even amid lower interest rates. On the right side of the balance sheet, deposits grew by $3.3 billion or 2% sequentially, with growth across all our operating segments.
SVB Commercial was the largest contributor, with a $2.1 billion increase driven by growth in both Global Fund Banking and the Tech and Healthcare sectors. Deal activities led to a rise in Global Fund Banking deposits, while Tech and Healthcare benefited from new client acquisition and an improving investment climate. Importantly, average deposit balances and total client funds in SVB Commercial increased by 5.9% over the second quarter. While we are pleased with this growth and positive shifts in the innovation economy, we remain cautious about the potential impact on the balance sheet due to known outflows after the quarter-end and the overall condition of the innovation landscape. In SVB Commercial, our focus remains on capturing stable and profitable market share. In the General Bank, growth has been concentrated in the branch network and wealth, where we aim to deepen relationships and attract new customers.
As mentioned last quarter, we've put additional tactics in place to enhance deposit growth by identifying near- and long-term opportunities, encouraging local decision-making, and improving digital capabilities. We are also optimistic about our ability to grow noninterest-bearing deposits for the third consecutive quarter, maintaining our noninterest-bearing deposit mix at 26%, despite a continued strong growth in total deposits. Regarding credit, net charge-offs climbed by $115 million to $234 million, equating to 65 basis points for the quarter. As previously noted, $82 million of this increase was from the First Brands bankruptcy, contributing 23 basis points and accounting for about 35% of our total net charge-offs for the third quarter. We do not see this loss as representative of broader issues within our supply chain finance portfolio, which stood at $300 million at the end of the quarter.
Excluding the First Brands charge-off, net charge-offs were in line with our expectations, primarily involving our investor-dependent portfolio in SVB Commercial, the general office portfolio of the commercial bank, and our equipment finance portfolio—consistent with prior quarters. While we continue to observe stress in the equipment finance portfolio, we are also seeing signs of improvement that are trending towards long-term expectations. We have taken steps to mitigate future losses by tightening underwriting standards and increasing collection staff to address earlier vintages. We expect these efforts will return this business to historical net charge-off levels in the medium term. There were some larger charge-offs this quarter, and as noted in previous calls, net charge-offs can vary significantly from quarter to quarter based on the size of some credits. While we are actively monitoring these portfolios, we do not anticipate any emerging trends that would indicate broader credit quality concerns, and we believe we have adequate reserves in place.
The allowance ratio dipped by 4 basis points to 1.14%, influenced by an improved macroeconomic outlook, decreased reserves linked to Hurricane Helene, and growth in higher credit quality loan portfolios. We are satisfied with our overall coverage and especially with portfolios currently under stress. Our strong risk management practices, rigorous underwriting standards, and diversified portfolio provide solid protection against losses. In light of recent industry news, I want to touch on our exposure to nondepository financial institutions or NDFI. While this exposure may appear significant in our call report, around 85% is to high-quality, low-risk capital call lines for private equity and VC sponsors. These are secured by institutional investors with committed capital that has historically delivered solid risk-adjusted returns, and our credit performance has remained strong. Therefore, despite the regulatory classification as NDFI, we assess them as safe, well-managed assets from a credit standpoint.
Turning to capital, Frank mentioned our continued progress on our 2025 share repurchase plan. As of October 21, we had bought back just over 15% of Class A common shares or 14% of total common shares outstanding for a total of $4 billion. This sum includes the completion of the 2024 plan in the third quarter of 2025. Regarding the $4 billion repurchase plan authorized by the Board in July 2025, we have executed approximately 7% of this authorization. In the third quarter, our repurchases were at the upper end of our $600 million to $900 million quarterly range. We expect repurchases to remain at the higher end of this range through the end of 2025 and into early 2026 as we steer our CET1 towards our target range. The pace of buybacks could diminish when CET1 approaches this range, dependent on earnings and RWA growth aligning with expectations. Share repurchases will continue to serve as a mechanism for managing our capital strategy, allowing us to return capital to our shareholders and enhance capital efficiency over time.
Although we anticipate CET1 will stay above our target range of 10.5% to 11% in 2025, considering our current growth projections and the starting capital ratios at the year's outset, we believe the repurchase plan will enable us to systematically manage CET1 down to this level over time as we periodically review our growth prospects, economic conditions, the regulatory landscape, and capital allocations. The CET1 ratio for the third quarter was 11.65%, reflecting a decrease of 47 basis points from the second quarter, as the effects of share repurchases and loan growth surpassed earnings. I will now turn to our fourth quarter and full year 2025 outlook on Page 28. We are actively monitoring the overall macroeconomic landscape but recognize the fluid nature of changes makes it challenging to narrow the range of potential impacts on the broader economy and our business lines and clients. Therefore, we have not made substantial adjustments to our guidance but will keep monitoring how the environment may affect our performance.
Additionally, as Frank mentioned earlier, we are excited about the recent announcement regarding our branch acquisition with BMO Bank, expected to close in mid-2026. The effects of this deal are not factored into our guidance. Now, focusing on the balance sheet, we anticipate loans will be in the $143 billion to $146 billion range in the fourth quarter, primarily driven by the same segments that have seen growth throughout the year. While we achieved significant growth in the third quarter, we are cautiously optimistic about absolute loan levels as we approach year-end. In the Commercial Bank, we expect recent growth trends to moderate and project an increase in our industry verticals. Market activity appears positive, and although competition is rising as banks engage more aggressively in the lending space, our pipeline remains robust as we head toward year-end. Credit metrics are stable, and general industry optimism suggests a strong lending market toward the end of the year.
We anticipate a pullback in Global Fund Banking in the fourth quarter, as we do not expect utilization to maintain the high levels observed in the third quarter. Loan balances in this segment can fluctuate based on client draws and repayments, and while we remain very positive on medium-term growth in this area, we recognize that quarter-end snapshots of outstanding balances can exhibit more volatility. For deposits, we expect them to fall within the $161 billion to $165 billion range in the fourth quarter. We foresee growth continuing in the general bank, particularly through our branch network and wealth management, as we aim to strengthen existing relationships and acquire new customers to drive organic deposit growth. This growth may be partially offset by declines in SVB Commercial due to known outflows into off-balance sheet products after the quarter ended, which had inflated third quarter deposit balances.
We remain focused on strategies that best serve our clients in this sector while aiming to lower funding and liquidity costs, which could influence overall deposit growth. Our interest rate forecast suggests potential cuts within a range of 0 to 225 basis points in the fourth quarter of 2025, expecting the effective Fed funds rate to drop from 4% to 4.25% currently to as low as 3.5% to 3.75% by year-end. While our baseline scenario includes two rate cuts, we recognize that persistent inflation metrics and possible macroeconomic policy impacts may result in fewer or no cuts. Thus, we think it is prudent to maintain a range of expectations. Accordingly, we anticipate fourth-quarter headline net interest income to remain relatively stable compared to the third quarter. For the full year, we are refining our headline net interest income guidance to a range of $6.74 billion to $6.84 billion, down from the previous guidance of $6.68 billion to $6.88 billion.
This revision is based on the new forward interest rate curve and serves as a foundation moving forward from the third quarter figures. In either scenario, we project that loan accretion will decline by more than $200 million for the year compared to 2024. Regarding credit losses, we expect fourth-quarter net charge-offs to be in the range of 35 to 45 basis points, aligned with the guidance provided in the third quarter but lower than our third quarter results. As mentioned earlier, our third quarter net charge-offs were above expectations due to one significant charge-off. We anticipate losses to continue to be driven by the same portfolios we've discussed previously: equipment finance, general office, and the SVB investor-dependent portfolio. We maintain our focus on client selection and prudent underwriting, tightening approaches in specific sectors and asset classes for particular client profiles.
In commercial real estate, while rate cuts may alleviate some borrower pressure in the general office segment, we expect losses to stay elevated in the fourth quarter, even as market disruptions may ease with companies reinstating office attendance. For the full year, we are increasing our guidance from 35 to 45 basis points to 43 to 47 basis points due to the higher starting point. We continue to notice some variability in losses across the portfolio, and as noted earlier, certain larger transactions can sway the ratio. Importantly, our net charge-off guidance does not account for long-term impacts of tariffs, considering the ongoing shifts in expectations and the challenges in fully determining their effect on our asset quality. While higher tariffs could induce economic stress through inflation or reduced growth, we believe the credit risk remains manageable. We will consistently evaluate the potential impact on our portfolio, but we also believe that its diversity serves as a strength in this environment.
For adjusted noninterest income, we expect it to fall within the $480 million to $510 million range in the fourth quarter, aligning with a typical quarter for us. We continue to see strength across many of our core business lines, such as rail, merchant services, card operations, wealth, and lending-related fees. Having completed three quarters, we have refined our full-year adjusted noninterest income range to $1.99 billion to $2.02 billion. Year-on-year growth is driven by our positive outlook in rail, which includes a well-balanced portfolio and strategic exploration plan. We also anticipate continued growth in wealth and international fees, thanks to client acquisition and an increase in fund flows. Additionally, we are encouraged by the performance of our capital markets business, which is on track to achieve another record year in fee income. The rise in off-balance sheet client funds has also enhanced our client investment fees.
However, I want to emphasize that given the shifting rate environment, our client derivative positions may fluctuate from quarter to quarter, leading to some variability in our results. As for adjusted noninterest expenses, we foresee a modest increase in the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter as we continue investing in Category 3 readiness and work to simplify and optimize our platforms for future scalability. Seasonal expenses that typically occur in the fourth quarter, such as increased travel, client entertainment, and year-end contributions, may also introduce some variability. Over the full year, we have tightened our adjusted noninterest expense expectations to a range of $5.12 billion to $5.16 billion. Maintaining disciplined expense management while making timely investments in technology and risk management is crucial, especially given the headwinds faced by net interest income.
We anticipate our adjusted efficiency ratio will be in the upper 50% range in 2025, as the effects of the Fed rate cuts apply downward pressure on the net interest margin, while we continue investing to achieve Category 3 status. Our longer-term aim remains to operate within the mid-50% range. For both the third quarter and the full year 2025, we expect our tax rate to fall between 25% and 26%, exclusive of discrete items. To conclude, we are pleased to report another quarter of strong financial results, reflecting the resilience of our diversified business model. Thanks to our long-term focus, ongoing investments, and robust risk management framework, we are well-positioned to continue delivering value to our clients, customers, communities, and shareholders. I will now hand it over to the operator for the question-and-answer segment of the call.
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And our first question comes from Chris McGratty at KBW.
Craig, regarding the NII guidance, I want to start there. It seems you've made a downward adjustment to the guidance from last quarter. Could you clarify if for Q4, considering the forward curve, the $1.7 billion estimate is accurate if there are two rate cuts? I'm aware there are many variables affecting the balance sheet.
Yes. If we get two cuts, which frankly would be our base forecast, we think it's more likely than not having any cuts or one cut. So when we look at both headline net interest income and net interest income ex purchase accounting, we would expect those numbers to be down low single digits percentage points sequentially. And if we look at NIM headline, we're looking in the high 3.10%. And if we look at NIM ex accretion in the high 3.00% for the fourth quarter.
Okay. And then I guess, fast forwarding, I mean, I guess the question is, when do you assume NII bottoms?
Both headline net interest income and net interest income excluding accretion, as well as headline net interest margin and net interest margin excluding accretion, are expected to reach their lowest point in the first quarter of 2026. However, if the interest rate forecast holds true with two additional rate cuts this year and the federal funds rate settling at around 3.75%, we expect to pay down the note. This is due to the arbitrage diminishing or becoming zero, compared to the current 70 basis point spread. Consequently, repayment will positively influence net interest margin, depending on the extent of our pay down. Therefore, our net interest margin troughs are anticipated earlier in the first quarter, despite our asset sensitivity, as the paydown will benefit net interest margin. Without the paydown, which would not be feasible with an arbitrage present, those troughs would be delayed until early 2027.
Okay. And on the $35 or so billion, are you thinking tranches? How are you thinking about repayment? Any kind of color there?
Yes. On the purchase money note, we can pay portions of it. So we would not go out and pay off the whole thing as it makes up a substantive, obviously, a portion of our balance sheet and also we do the optionality obviously carries some value above and beyond the rate we're paying on it. So it would be something we would sort of leg into but maybe make a slightly larger first payment on.
The next question is from Bernard Von Gizycki from Deutsche Bank.
I know you mentioned the $82 million charge-off to First Brands and represents all your exposure there. But can you just share any information on any additional monitoring you might have conducted throughout that portfolio? I think it was called out that the allowance for loan losses, there were some higher specific reserves for individually evaluated loans. So just any color you can share on that?
Sure. This is Andy. Just to remind, our supply chain portfolio is about $300 million across 24 borrowers. So it's, on average, about $13 million of exposure, we don't have the level of concentration in the remainder of that portfolio that we did with First Brands, certainly did a deep dive post-first brands and feel very comfortable with the remainder of that portfolio. Obviously, there's a lot of widespread allegations around fraud there. But it's going to take some time to work through that through the bankruptcy process before we learn more there. And we don't think that it's emblematic of the supply chain portfolio or the supply chain in general.
And just as a follow-up on M&A, post acquisition of BMO's branches expected to close for mid-next year. Just given the favorable regulatory backdrop, can you just talk about your appetite to do an additional branch acquisition or a whole bank acquisition?
Yes. Beyond BMO, we have no specific merger and acquisition plans. However, as indicated with BMO, we believe that M&A will continue to play a significant role in our long-term growth strategy. Therefore, we do not have a specific timeline for when we will re-enter the market as we focus on category 3 readiness and capital efficiency. When we do decide to enter the market, we will continue to be an opportunistic buyer interested in accretive M&A that increases our scale, enhances our competitive position, and ultimately makes us a better bank for our customers and clients.
The next question comes from Casey Haire with Autonomous.
I wanted to discuss loan growth. I understand that you expect lower utilization in fund banking, but you've indicated a 10% annualized growth and the pipeline appears to be strong. However, the guidance suggests that loans may not come in until the fourth quarter. I would like to hear more about your expectations for loan growth, as it seems somewhat conservative.
Let Marc start with that and Elliot can expand on it.
Sure. This is Marc and speaking specifically about the GFB segment. Totally understand your point, given the 10% quarter-over-quarter growth in the third quarter. A call out there though. And maybe going back to something, Craig, I think you said earlier, is borrowings and repayments tend swing around a lot. And with Global Fund Banking, in particular, that can happen. And it's probably best illustrated when I think about the average loan growth in that segment versus the period-end, that average loan growth is sub-$1 billion over the course of the third quarter. And that obviously is quite a bit less than the plus 3% on a period-end basis. And so I think that illustrates sort of the point right there. And by extension, I think hopefully explains the appearance of conservatism in that part of the fourth quarter loan growth outlook. I'll stop there and pass it to you, Craig.
Okay. And just on the expenses. So first off, I guess, a pretty wide range in the fourth quarter, up 10%, up 50%. Just what are the wildcards within that? And then just as a follow-up, that implies 6% to 7% expense both on the year and '25. Just wondering how much of that is Category 3 prep and when we could see a relief on the expense pressure?
Yes. I'll let Elliot talk about the guide, but I'll handle the last part of that question, but the escalation of expenses in '25, as we guided previously, are related primarily to that work. Large financial institution program as well as several large projects related to that work as well. So that is the reason for the mid- to upper single-digit expense growth in '25 over '24. I'll let Elliot speak to the guide a bit for the fourth quarter.
Yes, sure. Craig touched on some of the script. I mean I think when you look at the fourth quarter, there are certain things that are kind of more particular plus seasonal to the fourth quarter. We see kind of elevated client entertainment, we see elevated travel, in addition, when you look at something like health insurance, a lot of employees have hit their deductibles, so we see that pull through at a higher rate in the fourth quarter. In addition, I think third quarter, we had some larger meaningful projects close out. And so the depreciation impact is now going to be reflected in the fourth quarter. So as far as what could tip up or down, I think some of those aforementioned things and then really just the timing of kind of idiosyncratic project expenses related to kind of the tech build-out and simplification.
Okay. Craig, when can we expect some relief on the Category 3 prep expenses? Is that something we will see in the near term, or is it further down the road?
I would describe it as medium term. We have made significant progress in that area, and there is a strong commitment within our company to continue advancing. Most of the Category 3 requirements involve enhancements to our current practices or formalizing rules we already follow. However, there is a considerable amount of work related to data modeling and reporting frequency, which requires us to revise our processes, systems, and data delivery. As a result, there will be some expenses associated with this. To use a baseball analogy, we are likely in the 7th inning stretch. While we will incur some expenses related to this, I want to emphasize that we have made substantial progress, and we plan to meet those requirements in the first half of 2026.
The next question comes from Anthony Elian from JPMorgan.
For Marc, on total client funds, I'd like to get more color on total client funds. What specifically drove the strong growth you saw in 3Q. And I know in Craig's prepared remarks, there's a level of cautiousness on the outlook for SVB. But given the backdrop of lower rates, more IPOs coming to market and VC investments continuing at a strong pace. What exactly is causing you to believe that the strong level of activity won't continue?
I will begin, and others may wish to add their thoughts as well. This ties into the caution reflected in Craig's comments regarding our Q4 guidance. While it was reassuring to see growth in the third quarter, as you noted, there were seven IPOs with pre-money valuations exceeding $1 billion during that quarter, but that pace hasn’t been sustained. Thus far in the fourth quarter, there have been no IPOs, and the SEC appears to be inactive. This is one factor to consider. We are seeing some improvement in exit activity outside of IPOs, particularly in M&A, which could enhance venture capital sentiment and boost investments. However, as Craig mentioned, there are numerous uncertainties and headwinds making it difficult to predict whether the growth trend from the third quarter will persist into the fourth quarter and beyond. This context hopefully clarifies our cautious outlook. Additionally, while venture capital investment is likely to achieve its second-best year on record, the concentration in mega rounds, particularly those related to the largest AI investments, means that the overall situation for early-stage investment, which is crucial for the SVB segment, has not changed significantly, aside from a slight increase in deal count in specific areas. With all of this context, I hope it sheds light on why we are adopting a more cautious stance, and I will pass it over to Craig for any additional comments he may have.
I have nothing to add.
And then my follow-up on credit. I'm curious if you've done any broader reviews on policies and procedures, particularly on the CIT portfolio beyond supply chain after First Brands and the other recent credit events that have happened across the industry.
Yes. I mean, that is part of our normal course where we're continuously looking at policies, procedures, our credit standards. It goes through a regular cadence of reapproval, and to ensure that is in line with our risk appetite. So yes, that is part of our normal cadence and our risk management.
The next question comes from Steven Alexopoulos from TD Cowen.
I want to start, go back to Casey's question. So you have elevated expenses related to LFI prep. And if we think about the work you're doing I think we're all trying to figure out how much of the expense level is sticky, right? You're just hiring more full-time people, et cetera. And once you get done with this, let's just say, for argument's sake, it's mid-2026. Do expenses from that point start growing at a more normal cadence? Or are there costs in the run rate now that will actually fall out that caused expenses to step down a bit before they start growing?
Yes, Steve, I think there are a few points to consider. While there may be some expenses that decrease, we anticipate that they will largely be offset by the significant investments we are making in technology and simplification. As Casey mentioned, the guidance is around 6% to 7% from the end of this year or 2024, and we expect it to be in the mid-single digits next year. So, there has been a slight pullback. However, looking at our longer-term plans, the investments in technology will support our growth. We don't expect our expenses to decrease significantly, but rather to moderate from their current levels.
They just get replaced with other expenses, which is helpful. If we consider the ROTCE, PAA is a factor, but ROTCE is down about 11% adjusted this quarter, representing a significant decline over the past year. I understand you're already active in repurchasing shares this quarter, but what is preventing you from being more aggressive given that your stock is down approximately 17% year-to-date and just above tangible book? It seems that you have an opportunity to increase your activity in this area.
And just to be clear, you're talking about in terms of share repurchases getting more active?
Yes.
We have outlined our plan for share repurchases as part of our capital strategy, and we want to approach this in a methodical manner. We believe that a range of $600 million to $900 million is a good pace, even though it's somewhat aggressive, and that’s what we aim to achieve moving forward. As we do this, we need to be very aware of our growth outlooks, internal growth, the economic environment, regulatory changes, and overall capital deployment options. We think this range is quite ambitious. Since the start of the plan, we have repurchased 15% of our A shares and 14% of our total common shares, indicating that we are maintaining a strong pace.
The next question comes from Brian Foran from Truist.
I'm not sure if you can speak to this, but 2026 NII is obviously such a big debate given the tension of underlying growth and rate cuts. So appreciate the comments that you think or forecast that NII would bottom in 1Q '26. Is it possible to give any bounds on the level? And then as you look to 2Q '26 and beyond, any thoughts on the directional bias would you see it as more flat or do you think you can grow even with Fed rate cuts? And again, totally appreciate it's early for '26 guidance, but it's the biggest question I hear from investors. So any thoughts would be helpful.
Sure. I’d be happy to provide some insight. With two rate cuts and two expected in 2026, we anticipate that both net interest income and the net interest margin will remain fairly stable, particularly with the exit in the fourth quarter of 2025. So, we expect stability in that area. However, if additional rate cuts occur, that could lead to changes.
That's really helpful. Maybe for Marc, more of just a qualitative one. Can you speak to the AI boom and where that's benefiting SVB? And then conversely, anywhere, it's not benefiting SVB, is it a size of deal thing? Is it a client coverage thing? Is it your choices and selections of what you want to be involved in, just broadly, if you could speak to the AI trends that are such a big part of the market right now?
Sure. Starting with venture investment, as I mentioned earlier, there's a significant amount of capital entering the space, which contrasts sharply with the broader venture backdrop that has been going through a reset since around mid-2022. SVB benefits from the integration of AI across various sectors we focus on, serving as an enabler or feature for companies that successfully incorporate it into their offerings. This makes them more attractive to investors, similar to what we saw during the dot-com era where it was crucial to discern which companies truly had potential. This dissemination of enhancement into these sectors is driving investment and helping us identify better opportunities to engage clients and provide loans. However, we don't see much benefit from the large investment rounds directed towards the biggest AI companies, as they are not our target market. We are starting to notice some advantages across the other sectors we bank.
This is Jim Hudak. I want to add to Marc's point that we are experiencing strong growth in the data center sector, largely driven by the demand for computing capacity from AI. The financing of infrastructure in this area has been significantly influenced by AI, which has, in turn, supported our loan growth. Additionally, it's important to mention that our loan growth has also benefited from the excess liquidity in the market. While we are actively involved in data centers, we sometimes receive payouts as these projects get constructed and stabilized, allowing them to be sold in the securitization markets, which enables us to recycle that capital. This activity is reflected in our capital markets fees. Although we may not see consistent quarter-over-quarter growth, financing infrastructure—particularly driven by AI demand—has provided us with substantial benefits.
If I could sneak in a follow-up there, but do we know the size of this data center lending book and geographically, does that show up at SVB? Or does that show up somewhere else in your disclosure?
So the data center side is on the commercial bank side, commercial finance. And our exposure is about $3.5 billion.
The next question is from Samuel Varga at UBS.
I just wanted to go back to SVB for one more finer point on 2026. Just based on all the commentary you've provided this morning, is it fair to say that the growth to come is more on the new client acquisition side rather than utilization uptake? Or it could be still from both into next year?
I will start, and I think it could be both, right? It's early-stage venture investment were to pick up. that would certainly be helpful on the new client acquisition side and helpful to our Tech & Healthcare banking business. And generally speaking, if investors are investing more, that is going to help with utilization of those capital call lines, but typically how VCs fund those investments, recognizing that there is a large significant portion really more than half of the capital call portfolio that is private equity driven and not really about venture investment, innovation economy, etc. Though as we saw in the third quarter, that was certainly part of the utilization story as well. And so I'll try to stick the landing here in that we think in an improving environment, we would hopefully see both. But I'll end by saying, again, given our caution, the mixed outlook, etc., nothing I've said should be taken as guidance for '26 at this point. Craig, I'll pass it to you if you want to add or speak on anything?
I think that covers it, Marc. Thank you.
And then just a short one on credit, nonaccruals moved up a little bit, as you noted, Craig, in the prepared remarks. Can you provide any updates or any further color on migration trends or the mitigation trends?
Yes. I think it was driven by a handful of larger credits. We had one in the innovation portfolio, which was a non-investor dependent transaction that migrated this quarter. We had a couple of credits in our wine portfolio migrate as well and then an additional credit in CRE. Outside of that, everything has been pretty stable. I think I would point out that our criticized and classified assets did come down for the second quarter in a row by about 4.5%. And to Craig's point, I think from a charge-off perspective, absent First Brands, it's right in line with where we would expect things to come up this quarter. So we're feeling pretty good about credit.
Next question comes from Christopher Marinac from Janney Montgomery Scott.
I just wanted to go back over the years as you've had other fraudulent situations. Can you just walk us through kind of how you have evolved your fraud detection in general, post CIT and now post SVB?
So this is Greg Smith. I run the enterprise operations. Fraud has always been a key focus for us, and we have invested quite a bit of money over the past few years in talent and technology. I won't get into some of the details. But on a day-to-day basis, we now use AI. We have different algorithms to detect fraud. And we've really seen, I'll say, stability in that market, although it is something that is a key focus, and it may grow over time, we have spikes once in a while for individual products, but we have strengthened our environment quite a bit over the last few years.
Great. And then Craig, just a quick one for you. As the branch acquisition closes next year. Does that help you become more neutral from a rate risk perspective?
It is indeed based on net deposits, making it less asset sensitive. I haven't calculated the actual position, so I wouldn't consider it neutral since it is relatively small compared to the overall balance sheet, but it is definitely moving in the right direction. I'll let Tom add to that as well.
I think really, if you're thinking about asset sensitivity, I think the major driver is as we start paying down that fixed-rate purchase money note is what's going to help get that down. And obviously, if you look at that branch acquisition, that's replacement with deposit funding to that purchase money note, I think that's an accurate statement.
Not showing any further questions at this time. So I'd like to turn the call back over to our host, Ms. Deanna Hart for any closing remarks.
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